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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.eggbutnobacon.co.uk/2008/11/food-price-calculator/comment-page-1/#comment-687</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have learnt some truly horrendous practices that go on in the food world that most people have no idea about. (Can I pitch that with the near final scene with Rutger Hauer on the roof with Harrison Ford?)

Why does Unicorn leave the leaves on its celery, or carrots or radish or, or, or .....
because these are the first things to go off on a harvested vegetable or fruit. By leaving them on customers know we are selling fresh produce.

Has any heard about the Chorleywood process of making  bread (and the taking out of goodness and addition of synthetic goodness). Have you read about Aspartamane?

No wonder our children are growing up with ADHD or learning problems.

I used to think Jamie &quot;pukha&quot; Oliver was a bit of a w****er, but I&#039;ve sort of grown to like him. I think his heart is in the right place. We need to educate the less educated. Not the rich. We don&#039;t need to target rich schools or suburbs, we need to let the poorer people in on a secret: food is good, can be cheap and healthy, is worth time making and in the long run can help as part of a &quot;healthy balanced lifestyle&quot;

Will we ever get rid of Supermarkets and their &quot;we know what you want (and need) attitude&quot;? Can we stop people believing in their hype?

We&#039;re not ranting, we&#039;re chanting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have learnt some truly horrendous practices that go on in the food world that most people have no idea about. (Can I pitch that with the near final scene with Rutger Hauer on the roof with Harrison Ford?)</p>
<p>Why does Unicorn leave the leaves on its celery, or carrots or radish or, or, or &#8230;..<br />
because these are the first things to go off on a harvested vegetable or fruit. By leaving them on customers know we are selling fresh produce.</p>
<p>Has any heard about the Chorleywood process of making  bread (and the taking out of goodness and addition of synthetic goodness). Have you read about Aspartamane?</p>
<p>No wonder our children are growing up with ADHD or learning problems.</p>
<p>I used to think Jamie &#8220;pukha&#8221; Oliver was a bit of a w****er, but I&#8217;ve sort of grown to like him. I think his heart is in the right place. We need to educate the less educated. Not the rich. We don&#8217;t need to target rich schools or suburbs, we need to let the poorer people in on a secret: food is good, can be cheap and healthy, is worth time making and in the long run can help as part of a &#8220;healthy balanced lifestyle&#8221;</p>
<p>Will we ever get rid of Supermarkets and their &#8220;we know what you want (and need) attitude&#8221;? Can we stop people believing in their hype?</p>
<p>We&#8217;re not ranting, we&#8217;re chanting.</p>
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		<title>By: Leanne Cordingley</title>
		<link>http://www.eggbutnobacon.co.uk/2008/11/food-price-calculator/comment-page-1/#comment-678</link>
		<dc:creator>Leanne Cordingley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 20:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure a lot of it stems from our obsession with work. Working long hours so you can go out and buy a flashy car to drive backwards and forwards to work in seems to be an ideal far too many people are aspiring to as far as I&#039;m concerned. 

Sure some people really do need the money. Maybe they really don&#039;t have the time or money to wander around lots of shops looking for local fresh food or to commit themselves to cooking each day, and this is a real problem as it is these vulnerable people who would probably benefit the most from the improved diet  this would give them . 

However I think for a lot of people this obsession with work, money and &quot;stuff&quot; really is a choice they have made, whether consciously or not. It seems to me a lot of people would rather work themselves to death so they can buy all these fancy things, arriving home too knackered and brain dead to have the time or inclination to start preparing a meal for themselves or their family. They would rather just chuck something frozen into the oven or a ready meal in the microwave and then spend the evening slumped in front of their 96&quot; plama screen TV watching soaps and drinking Pinot Grigio until their mind finally switches off allowing them to forget their own sorry existence.  

Oh dear, looks like I better stop now, I&#039;ve clearly flung myself into full rant mode too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure a lot of it stems from our obsession with work. Working long hours so you can go out and buy a flashy car to drive backwards and forwards to work in seems to be an ideal far too many people are aspiring to as far as I&#8217;m concerned. </p>
<p>Sure some people really do need the money. Maybe they really don&#8217;t have the time or money to wander around lots of shops looking for local fresh food or to commit themselves to cooking each day, and this is a real problem as it is these vulnerable people who would probably benefit the most from the improved diet  this would give them . </p>
<p>However I think for a lot of people this obsession with work, money and &#8220;stuff&#8221; really is a choice they have made, whether consciously or not. It seems to me a lot of people would rather work themselves to death so they can buy all these fancy things, arriving home too knackered and brain dead to have the time or inclination to start preparing a meal for themselves or their family. They would rather just chuck something frozen into the oven or a ready meal in the microwave and then spend the evening slumped in front of their 96&#8243; plama screen TV watching soaps and drinking Pinot Grigio until their mind finally switches off allowing them to forget their own sorry existence.  </p>
<p>Oh dear, looks like I better stop now, I&#8217;ve clearly flung myself into full rant mode too!</p>
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		<title>By: Sev</title>
		<link>http://www.eggbutnobacon.co.uk/2008/11/food-price-calculator/comment-page-1/#comment-676</link>
		<dc:creator>Sev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Classic rant of the century.  Agree with every word.  We&#039;re wanting to move out of the city too but access to good local shops is putting us off.   At the moment we have a whole food shop, two good green grocers and the farmers market within 5 minutes walk.  There&#039;s something really lovely about going to the greengrocers, I fill my cotton bag with loads of different coloured veg without any plastic and it looks so pretty.  Even when it&#039;s in the fridge it does.  I can say I get genuine aesthetic pleasure out of looking at my random assemblage of naked vegetables.  I can drift off and pretend I&#039;m in rural France on a sunny afternoon!  I think that&#039;s a serious point actually, non-supermarket food shopping is actually a nice thing to do, not a chore.  It&#039;s a really enjoyable part of my life.

I wonder how much of this stems from our society (and government&#039;s) obsession with work.  Families with both parents working full time in a country with the worst long hours culture in Europe.  People perceive supermarkets as a quick and easy option and food shopping as chore.  When it needn&#039;t be and could be a valuable part of their life.  I agree with Richard that food and eating is not valued any more.  When we were growing up the evening meal was a daily family occasion, a social event.  Of course, as children we&#039;d have rather been sitting on the sofa with the TV on, but well done parents for sticking to your guns.  I do think this has been lost a little with people working late and rushing around.  They are then preparing separate, quick and less nutritionally valuable, meals to pander to their children&#039;s demands because they feel guilty for not being around.  What is wrong with us?!  Why can&#039;t we plan better, lots of recipes actually taste nicer the day after so you could make it and then there&#039;s an instant meal when people get home the following evening.  You can also make loads at once and freeze it.  It really isn&#039;t too hard to do. 

Right I&#039;ll stop before I get too far into rant mode!

Btw the cauliflower and sweet potato curry looks nice.  Sweet potatoes rule, Even just baked instead of jacket ones with a bit of butter, chilli, mozzarella and fresh basil they&#039;re amazing.  

Anyway, enough from me! xx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Classic rant of the century.  Agree with every word.  We&#8217;re wanting to move out of the city too but access to good local shops is putting us off.   At the moment we have a whole food shop, two good green grocers and the farmers market within 5 minutes walk.  There&#8217;s something really lovely about going to the greengrocers, I fill my cotton bag with loads of different coloured veg without any plastic and it looks so pretty.  Even when it&#8217;s in the fridge it does.  I can say I get genuine aesthetic pleasure out of looking at my random assemblage of naked vegetables.  I can drift off and pretend I&#8217;m in rural France on a sunny afternoon!  I think that&#8217;s a serious point actually, non-supermarket food shopping is actually a nice thing to do, not a chore.  It&#8217;s a really enjoyable part of my life.</p>
<p>I wonder how much of this stems from our society (and government&#8217;s) obsession with work.  Families with both parents working full time in a country with the worst long hours culture in Europe.  People perceive supermarkets as a quick and easy option and food shopping as chore.  When it needn&#8217;t be and could be a valuable part of their life.  I agree with Richard that food and eating is not valued any more.  When we were growing up the evening meal was a daily family occasion, a social event.  Of course, as children we&#8217;d have rather been sitting on the sofa with the TV on, but well done parents for sticking to your guns.  I do think this has been lost a little with people working late and rushing around.  They are then preparing separate, quick and less nutritionally valuable, meals to pander to their children&#8217;s demands because they feel guilty for not being around.  What is wrong with us?!  Why can&#8217;t we plan better, lots of recipes actually taste nicer the day after so you could make it and then there&#8217;s an instant meal when people get home the following evening.  You can also make loads at once and freeze it.  It really isn&#8217;t too hard to do. </p>
<p>Right I&#8217;ll stop before I get too far into rant mode!</p>
<p>Btw the cauliflower and sweet potato curry looks nice.  Sweet potatoes rule, Even just baked instead of jacket ones with a bit of butter, chilli, mozzarella and fresh basil they&#8217;re amazing.  </p>
<p>Anyway, enough from me! xx</p>
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		<title>By: Leanne Cordingley</title>
		<link>http://www.eggbutnobacon.co.uk/2008/11/food-price-calculator/comment-page-1/#comment-669</link>
		<dc:creator>Leanne Cordingley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 18:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know what you mean, I didn&#039;t realise how lucky I was living in Chorlton with all the great places on my doorstep. Sounds like Crystal Peaks has even more of a drought of shops than there is around here. 

You may already know about this, but thought I&#039;d mention Beanies in Sheffield does a box delivery scheme, it&#039;s not ideal, but could be an alternative for buying some of your veg at least. more info &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.beanieswholefoods.co.uk/deliveries.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; about their scheme.

Glad you like the site, and likewise, nice to meet you. Hopefully our paths will cross again some point in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know what you mean, I didn&#8217;t realise how lucky I was living in Chorlton with all the great places on my doorstep. Sounds like Crystal Peaks has even more of a drought of shops than there is around here. </p>
<p>You may already know about this, but thought I&#8217;d mention Beanies in Sheffield does a box delivery scheme, it&#8217;s not ideal, but could be an alternative for buying some of your veg at least. more info <a href="http://www.beanieswholefoods.co.uk/deliveries.html" rel="nofollow">here</a> about their scheme.</p>
<p>Glad you like the site, and likewise, nice to meet you. Hopefully our paths will cross again some point in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Leigh</title>
		<link>http://www.eggbutnobacon.co.uk/2008/11/food-price-calculator/comment-page-1/#comment-667</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Leigh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s good to read an account of someone going into a supermarket with fresh eyes. It brings home all the absurdities and con-tricks that are everpresent.

Where I live on the east of Sheffield we have a fantastic range of supermarkets but no independents whatsoever. All the independents are 10 miles away in Sheffield itself so I&#039;m afraid nearly all of my shopping is done at the supermarkets. 

The packaging drives me mad - and it&#039;s something that actually seems to be getting worse! I&#039;d say that at least 95% of the stuff they sell I just ignore because it&#039;s garbage. When I worked in Barnsley a few years ago the joy of shopping in the local market was fantastic - half the price and twice the quality. Sadly the only market at my side of Sheffield (Crystal Peaks) has one poor greengrocer whose prices are the same as the supermarkets. 

I&#039;d never dream of buying herbs and spices from supermarkets unless I&#039;ve got no choice - I don&#039;t know how they get away with the prices they charge. 

You can get most of the ingredients you need to cook for yourself in supermarkets - it&#039;s a case of knowing where to look - and some of them, pulses for instance, are very good value provided you don&#039;t insist on organic. I have to say though, it ain&#039;t a joyous experience. 

Good to meet you at John and Viv&#039;s wedding, by the way - and love the site. We&#039;ll try some of the recipes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s good to read an account of someone going into a supermarket with fresh eyes. It brings home all the absurdities and con-tricks that are everpresent.</p>
<p>Where I live on the east of Sheffield we have a fantastic range of supermarkets but no independents whatsoever. All the independents are 10 miles away in Sheffield itself so I&#8217;m afraid nearly all of my shopping is done at the supermarkets. </p>
<p>The packaging drives me mad &#8211; and it&#8217;s something that actually seems to be getting worse! I&#8217;d say that at least 95% of the stuff they sell I just ignore because it&#8217;s garbage. When I worked in Barnsley a few years ago the joy of shopping in the local market was fantastic &#8211; half the price and twice the quality. Sadly the only market at my side of Sheffield (Crystal Peaks) has one poor greengrocer whose prices are the same as the supermarkets. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d never dream of buying herbs and spices from supermarkets unless I&#8217;ve got no choice &#8211; I don&#8217;t know how they get away with the prices they charge. </p>
<p>You can get most of the ingredients you need to cook for yourself in supermarkets &#8211; it&#8217;s a case of knowing where to look &#8211; and some of them, pulses for instance, are very good value provided you don&#8217;t insist on organic. I have to say though, it ain&#8217;t a joyous experience. </p>
<p>Good to meet you at John and Viv&#8217;s wedding, by the way &#8211; and love the site. We&#8217;ll try some of the recipes.</p>
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		<title>By: Leanne Cordingley</title>
		<link>http://www.eggbutnobacon.co.uk/2008/11/food-price-calculator/comment-page-1/#comment-656</link>
		<dc:creator>Leanne Cordingley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 19:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re exactly right, the inflated prices do give people the idea that organic = luxury, which really isn&#039;t the case. It obviously just doesn&#039;t fit into their system of doing things, hence the high prices. Grrr

Unicorn is doing great things in Manchester, if only there were more places like it. I&#039;ve really missed it since I moved away. It&#039;s hard to find a good place to buy quality veg locally. With 2 huge supermarkets within a mile of the house, all the green grocers that used to be here have disappeared. It&#039;s now a 30 minute walk to the proper shops, and a couple of miles to anywhere that&#039;s doing organic. No doubt this puts a lot of people off, leaving the supermarket as their only choice. Grrr.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re exactly right, the inflated prices do give people the idea that organic = luxury, which really isn&#8217;t the case. It obviously just doesn&#8217;t fit into their system of doing things, hence the high prices. Grrr</p>
<p>Unicorn is doing great things in Manchester, if only there were more places like it. I&#8217;ve really missed it since I moved away. It&#8217;s hard to find a good place to buy quality veg locally. With 2 huge supermarkets within a mile of the house, all the green grocers that used to be here have disappeared. It&#8217;s now a 30 minute walk to the proper shops, and a couple of miles to anywhere that&#8217;s doing organic. No doubt this puts a lot of people off, leaving the supermarket as their only choice. Grrr.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.eggbutnobacon.co.uk/2008/11/food-price-calculator/comment-page-1/#comment-655</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 12:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read this article whilst at work at Unicorn and feel strongly (in favour) of what you&#039;re about. I sometimes feel like we (Unicorn) are banging our heads against a wall. A lot of people still do not understand the relevance of food. The main life sustaining feature of our lives, and still it is classed as a low priority, &quot;cheap as chips&quot;, low class commodity. As a holistic approach it surely underpins everything we do: health, intelligence, wealth and fun. [I&#039;m almost getting a full head of steam going].

I believe supermarkets have a lot to answer for, especially when creating artificially high prices and infeasibly uniform organic food, to be classed as luxury items and therefore out of reach (and pocket) to a lot of people. Every day at work I try to explain that organic wholefood is not as expensive as they think, it helps the community and the planet and will provide more nutrition, for longer, than most processed food.

I also think if we can get good food to kids at young ages we can provide a good foundation for their future (initially health wise).

So, there you go. There&#039;s more if you want, and if I can help you can always email me.

Ta Cakes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read this article whilst at work at Unicorn and feel strongly (in favour) of what you&#8217;re about. I sometimes feel like we (Unicorn) are banging our heads against a wall. A lot of people still do not understand the relevance of food. The main life sustaining feature of our lives, and still it is classed as a low priority, &#8220;cheap as chips&#8221;, low class commodity. As a holistic approach it surely underpins everything we do: health, intelligence, wealth and fun. [I'm almost getting a full head of steam going].</p>
<p>I believe supermarkets have a lot to answer for, especially when creating artificially high prices and infeasibly uniform organic food, to be classed as luxury items and therefore out of reach (and pocket) to a lot of people. Every day at work I try to explain that organic wholefood is not as expensive as they think, it helps the community and the planet and will provide more nutrition, for longer, than most processed food.</p>
<p>I also think if we can get good food to kids at young ages we can provide a good foundation for their future (initially health wise).</p>
<p>So, there you go. There&#8217;s more if you want, and if I can help you can always email me.</p>
<p>Ta Cakes</p>
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